Even for larger enterprises, David offers some solid food for thought. At the yard where I buy my lumber, most of the hardwoods comes in 10 ft lengths. Word of mouth, local networking, business cards and a website. The intent of this article is to graduate woodworkers from the classic 2X Materials system. As you get busier, your rates rise OR you start to schedule work further and further out into the future because clients want the discount. Again, depending on the region, you can pay anywhere from $100 to $150 more for processing, transport, and handling. I live in Brazil and I’m a huge fan of yours. I realize that it’s probably overkill for a one man work shop, but knowing what I do about our estimating, I suspect you’re underestimating your overhead. Charities approaching me directly I would charge something (even if highly discounted) just to establish that my work had value and I tried to tightly define what they got for that price. Over 11 million people have used CostOwl to research average prices It is simple and to the point. I hope you found this page helpful if you decide to try it. I don’t claim to know what’s best. $35-$40/hr turned out to be a much more appropriate number. Nice article! We actually created an alternative, since it went down a few months ago. As a one man shop, a simple and flexible system is just what I need. Like some of the other posters I refuse to compromise on the “good” aspect of my projects. Gas burning fireplaces have a few major advantages compared to wood burning fireplaces. Pricing can be done in many ways. The main reason is that wood-burning furnaces typically cause more residential fires. The price you get establishes the value of your work in others mind. http://www.amazon.com/Goal-Pro.....038;sr=8-1. Here are factors that will determine the price you’ll probably pay. Read that last sentence again: it’s certainly true, but a lot of people have trouble accepting it. Now as far as pricing strategy goes you have to remember repeat and referrals. The views and opinions expressed on this blog are purely our own. Once a year, take 30 minutes to calculate your overhead. If it has structural cracks, warped doors and the like, then it has NO value and should be thrown away to be melted down. And I can ‘buy’ someone but I have a piece of furniture, only that (with features and errors)…. I guess they feel comfortable because they have the big contracts. Happy customers = more customers. That inspired me to make my own plataform bed and (as soon as I have the space to work) I’ll do it. I’ll add a couple comments from years of (non-woodworking) pricing experience: For work like woodworking, where you are essentially selling TIME, then it’s a huge benefit to you to have a full schedule. Oh yeah, and they want it today. Then I take the same percentage and deduct it for the price of the block of wood. However, I soon discovered the following: 1) Stores do not all want the same percentage of a consignment sale. Many approaches to pricing. But it does take more time and effort. So this one could very well bite you in the butt! :). You deserve them and don’t need to give them back to your client, even if they ask nicely. As a side effect, it also clearly highlighted the bottlenecks. More like me sharing an observation of what I’ve seen out there. In any seminar situation that is the #1 question asked. This is something I have struggled with over the years as it was just a hobby after the full time job. That said, here is the price method: First, you need to know your percentage of the sale. Love all the points of view especially since I’ll be going full time in my woodworking in about 4 years. Just a comment for 2019: That pricing tool is no longer available at that link. Now, remember that projects take a long time to make and go price something! How Much Space Do I Have To Store the Wood? The shop expense and equipment replacement need to be attached to projects in a way that you will certainly recover those expenses in full after five years – maybe labor hours, maybe absolute number of projects per year, maybe just eyeballing each project. Should I ever be compensated to write, I will make full disclosure. Unfortunately, you can’t simply set a price and tell everyone that balks to “go to Ikea.” If you actually want to make money and SELL the furniture, you need to consider your market. There’s a movement toward shabby chic and if your wood is recycled, people consider that a bonus. That is also how I got into woodworking, just being stuck at home and not much to do. 3. and over 350,000 visitors have used our free Request For Quote tool! But RICS’s calculations show that it could cost as much as £4,930 to get a wood-burning stove, and £5,208 for a multi-fuel stove. Marc – thanks, perfectly timed article as usual. Forty years or so ago, I started the craft of woodworking. Marc, Your customers may well scatter when your costs rise, but you may well retain them when your costs remain constant. When they look at the piece of furniture you made them sitting in their house what they bought wasn’t a piece a furniture it was their trust in you, it was a relationship with you, and not the price. Wood-burning fires may be prohibited year-round in some areas or be impacted by seasonal burn bans that do not apply to other types of fire pits. As a rule of thumb, you'll need at least 5,000 Btu/h to heat a 200 square foot area. Think about this, in order to do your woodworking you need electricity for machinery but more importantly for lighting. I enjoy the craft, so I am willing to do it as long as I have the skills to complete the project and they are willing to cover the cost of materials. No Obligations & No Credit Card Needed. I started as a home remodeler (inside and out) which has led into cabinet making, furniture refrinishing etc. into the wholesale price, or use the percent key. In my (non-woodworking) work, I price things mostly just two ways, assuming that there are no hard costs (usually it’s just my time)l. For “squishy” projects like web sites–where it’s hard to build a realistic statement of work on the front end (I know, it shouldn’t be but trust me, it is)–I’ll pick an amount that answers the following question positively: “Would I be satisfied getting that much money for that project?” At that point, I sort of have a feel for how much work it is but not precisely. It’s also a dramatically more complicated system. Well, usually those dealers are the ones that deal with big ticket clients and they just “tolerate” the hobbyists and small-shop pros. The cost of wo… Designed and developed by Underscorefunk Design. You can base the price on “value” which for Krenov or Nakashima was more than for J. Browne . I only know what worked for me. In WWing, compare to factory-made pieces for the low end and similar custom pieces (maybe at a gallery) for the high end. Besides, if they annoy someone who they consider “small potatoes” and not worth the effort, who’s to say they didn’t just do that to some major contractor’s kid or brother or sister? Eventually, I realized that one of two things had to happen: I either needed to work faster, or I had to lower my hourly rate. If they want something custom, of course I charge them for the price of the materials. Only a couple of disambiguations: Buy vs. Have: I always think as a client and I buy regardless the seller; I think all your selling tecniques and experience make a start, a base for personal research and evaluation before buying anything. No matter the product. 2) Divide by the number of weeks you plan to work say 50=$1600 per week. (It’s actually written like a novel). And im opening my own shop. Plus, there's nothing quite like the crackle and smell of a real wood fire, and for some, the self-sufficiency aspect of wood heating makes it unbeatable. Shortly after that, a few of my things started selling. Especially, accounting for new tools/shop every 5 years. I would add that it’s important to then track your hours as you go through the project to start building a database of actual times. Now I have this thing about being honest and stating that the project is made from pallet wood. One of the things we have to deal with is pricing projects, and believe it or not it is really similar as wood projects since: – Most of the jobs are custom ( same basic rules but different layouts and functionalities) 3. This style works really well with repetitive projects that are all unique. If one plans to do fair amount of FOR HIRE work even as working hobby it is not a bad idea to keep a log of your time even when doing fixed price. In the end, it’s not only the final product that counts, it’s the entire process, and that’s what makes satisfied customers! *: That’s your “…there is no more important safety rule than to wear these. There are a couple other ideas which you also need to assume are “true” to understand my suggestions below. I always like hearing how people price there work. Includes some building work to breakout fireplace and … Wood can vary in price from $1/bf to $50/bf, so you can see how that system falls apart quickly. That’s all I ever did. They do not expand and contract as much as solid wood, meaning they are more useful in rooms like kitchens and bathrooms, and can be placed on top of a concrete floor. Works great. Thank you for stopping by. Just as in any profession where experience and productivity reflect compensation, you should do the same for yourself. Wood stoves are available in small, medium, and large sizes capable of everything from "zone heating" for a single room to heating a small house or cottage to providing heat for a larger home. Been quoted £600 a couple of days ago but No Obligations & No Credit Card Needed. Include the time for driving and picking the lumber but not the gas. When totally free it is difficult to charge for beyond the call work after the fact. Trays 8 2 30 1 20 Stick to your guns on your price and be convincing about your quality, that’s what I’ve learned the hard way. Our material, overhead and labor costs in the USA just about prices us out of the global market. Now that’s not to say I don’t keep a sharp pencil when times are slow and I’m bidding against other contractors, but it’s a small margin. Some will walk away (sales go down), slowing your work down or shortening your scheduling horizon so that the next customers who walk in will see lower rates or shorter turnaround (sales go up). While our overhead is certainly much more than yours, our company operated for almost 10 years before we finally broke down and calculated it. Usually I have quite a good feeling for what is good quality: durable materials, creative and functional design, swift service and communication. I am just starting out and really only made one thing. Those of us that are not feeding our families with our skill need to be careful that we don’t undercut those who need the job to live. What worked for getting your business started? I will say that keeping very detailed records of time spent helps to keep you focused as well. OK, folks, this (David Thiel’s comment) is the real deal. We are looking to remove our wood burning stove from our kitchen (don't try to talk us out of it... our minds made up :D ). A couple of things I would add are that over time as my skills and quality have improved I have been able increase my hourly rate. Now you know what you have to realize on each of the 40 hours you spend in the shop each week. Find the people who will buy your work and trust that those people know quality. 4. Any thoughts? I hate using our box stores to provide these needed items. Non-catalytic stoves introduce combustion air to the stove and are capable of achieving complete combustion, that is, a more roaring fire. Best to you. If you have to match something, it could take a lot of time and money to do. All rights reserved. Very well said! This online tool is useful for determining what your hourly rate should be, though it’s not set up specifically for woodworkers. I used to have a stated shop rate of $50/hr. There is a gas heater right now that is currently tied into the chimney. Try Our Free Wood Stove Installation Price Tool >>, © 2020 CostOwl.com. Before that all started I was in the corporate world designing interactive databases. Most people can’t comprehend the pallet wood is still wood just being used in a different purpose. I put my possible errors in the equation, but I count on them in my SECOND BUY (if there’s any). (note: They should be HETAS registered solid fuel installers) I do most of my woodworking on the side but have been fortunate to sell quite a bit of it. I have found that charging more for family then friends is easier, because friends don’t come and say hey can you do this for me and expect a dirt cheap price. Whatever your reasons for wanting to install a wood stove, this buying guide will make it easier by breaking down the major wood stove options and costs. That’s all I ‘m willing to do. Then I head to the lumber yard and pick up the material based on that calculation. Cost To Run Gas & Electric Fireplaces The average cost to run a natural gas fireplace is $0.70 per hour, or about $60 per year, while propane costs $2. You don’t have to make full “hourly” rate for it to pay off. No way am I buying wood I can’t select myself. Maybe Marc should bump that hourly rate up just a tad to account for razors. Gas Burning A pre-built gas burning fireplace is a good mid-range option that would cost about $1,500-$3,000 for the materials and the fireplace. I know there’s a lot of effort, I+D, sensibility, synthesis ability that could be charge on the piece of furniture or project that You are selling, but that’s precisely the hour ratio! And I can say that fortunately, I never had a customer refuse the finished product. NOTE: Divide the decimal representing your percentage (e.g., for 75%, use .7 (store’s share 30%), for 75%, use .75 (store’s share 25%) In the beginning a proposal that was based on $40/hr could come out at $30. In the beginning I also charged less, but that didn’t help me at all. While the size of the unit generally determines its maximum heat output, it's also important to also consider the manufacturers Btu/h rating (British Thermal Units per hour). The charged hourly rates also have to assume full (or an assumed) work load. The Wood Whisperer abides by word of mouth marketing standards and holds integrity in the highest regard. We are looking at getting one in our new build and the fireplace has been prepared accordingly. If you’re not confident, get an expert in. My favorite project was the Plataform Bed. Also, if you have brokers or sales reps out there, this model allows you to really hone in on incentive compensation. I just happened to the the sucker who stepped in to help. I inquired around to stores, bankers and mathematicians, but just got the method noted above. In addition to the problem noted, above, it seemed a cumbersome way of figuring one hundred different retail prices. Furthermore, a freestanding wood stove must be vented through either a masonry chimney or an insulated metal chimney. If they want to make more money, they can raise their hourly rate to what the market will bear. I think that’s probably intuitive, but if you have a larger shop/staff it’s also helpful if you load it proportionately according to the people/resources applied to the projects you do; this helps you optimize utilization of people and equipment that much more effectively. No doubt the Rockler article shows a more accurate system. Be it quality, features, special attention. Ultimately, when it comes to pricing, materials are factored in. The factors that I find play the biggest part in your pricing will be your customer base, your quality, your work load, and your efficiency. But if you aren’t working, maybe losing less if preferable to being $5,000 in the hole. Essentially, more detail = less chance of a miscommunication. Wood can vary in price from $1/bf to $50/bf, so you can see how that system falls apart quickly. But I don’t really go all out in terms of full sketches and renderings before I have a signed agreement and a check. This is enlightening, thank you! But they can’t find it anywhere, because they don’t make it anymore. The catalytic combustor, or converter, is a honeycomb-like structure that needs to be replaced every 2 to 6 years depending on how often the stove is used and maintained. Labor is the number of hours x the hourly rate(in our case, this is each man’s take home hourly rate + the cost of their benefits and other compensation). It’s just bad for company image. They don’t require the My suggestion is that you apply those same incentives in reverse, as outlined above, to ensure that you always have a full schedule of work…. Some might settle for twenty-five percent, another thirty and yet another fifty percent. Instead, offer to change the scope of theproject to reduce the overall cost, maybe by substituting less expensive wood, making the project smaller, cheaper hardware, etc. The prices are different because the products are different, even if they look similar. Anything that may break or loses productivity over time should be added. I too am doing this as a hobby and am not to concerned about it as a business. The only change to the formula that I have is (materials + 15%) + (Hourly Rate). For those of you who are iPhone users, I use a great app at work to track my time. A wood stove insert is designed to be placed inside of an existing fireplace and vented through the chimney. Been doing this for three years so every project has big learning curve for me. That means our clients must be happy with the price, time-line, quality, and communication throughout the project. But since these are part of every job, I factor them into my hourly rate. The Wood Whisperer is proudly sponsored by brands that Marc trusts. 3) Divide by 40 hours per week= $40 per hour. It could very well be to their detriment. Though less-efficient and more polluting than catalytic stoves, non-catalytic units are less expensive and simpler to maintain. They probably wouldn’t miss us if we never went back, :). Miscommunication is sowhat the worst that can happen. materials cost (+10%) + (hourly rate x project hours). Oh yeah, I also had nice lettering put on my truck. I use a very similar method, I typically charge time and materials. And each firewood piece has a length of around 18 inches. I was just wondering how one would compete with “box store” products and prices, but you nailed it. The Wood Whisperer, The Wood Whisperer Guild, TWW, and TWW Guild are trademarks of The Wood Whisperer Inc. All rights reserved. I have been recently presented with the possibility of my first commissioned project and was struggling with the pricing. Pricing wood bowls isn’t easy at first glance. Hi Marc and everyone. For example, creating a print ad. As such, it taxed my brain [and there was no internet to get it back on track] to figure out all I had to do was add a one in front of the store’s percentage to arrive at their method of determining retail. Not to price talk yet. NOTE: The process of computing retail was made more complicated by that I hadn’t done that kind of math in years and forgot things, like 100% equaled one, 99% and less was the same number in a decimal and so forth. Talked to my 2nd potential commission person today. The quick and dirty method involves getting an approximate total board foot count for the entire project and adding 20% as a buffer for waste, error and selectivity. I am starting to work as a hobby woodworker and currently work as a software engineer ( project/technical leader most of the time). Basically, it stems from the idea that we’re all paying for heat, lights, tool costs, etc, but what we really sell is TIME. Clearview stoves have been recommended by a relative but while the stove itself is only £1100, the total cost including the flue and fitting brings it up to £2400 which is quite pricey. By comparing your initial estimate to actuals, you will quickly get better at estimating. This gives you an hourly overhead rate that you just tack on to your materials cost. I tell people I will make it better, but it will be more. You can start from costs (your time x some hourly rate + all hard costs like lumber and hardware) and add a profit margin. Keep an eye on what other craftspeople at your level are charging and do not over- or under-price your work. The cost of wood is cheaper than natural gas, oil, propane, and electricity. Would anyone be willing to attach a revised link? The first idea is that “people buy more of things that are cheaper.” I think we all understand this intuitively, but sometimes we forget it when pricing. Many factors merge together pricing wood bowls. But like you said, that may not last forever. I learned this from someone else. Cabinets 5 2 0 1.5 15 The second generation model is more efficient and produces 50% more power than the first edition. But every time I would price out a job, I would get to that final number and realize there was no way the client would accept the bid, so I would make “the common sense adjustment”. At the yard I can be sure that the boards I select will fit my design with no questions. Will a Wood Burning Stove Reduce My Heating Bills? Or better to my spirit, “what will make it worthwhile or feel good to me” model. So the conversion goes: 48 inches (full cord length) ÷ 18 inches (furnace cord length) = 2.67 x $85 = $227. At this point, I am not selling any of my work for profit. :). Given this, please assume that any links leading you to products or services are affiliate links that we will receive compensation from. Explaining what a woodburn is or what a scoll is is kind of hard. I may also buy one or two extra boards, just in case I screw something up. We have to remember though that the vast majority of our business without question will be repeat or from referrals. A cabinet for a non profit special needs daycare. How much should it cost to remove and make safe? If after some while some project fails, clients will be disapointed anyway, and they all forgot that they wanted cheap and fast and so and so. But for many hobbyists who are selling pieces to family and friends, with no real concern for profit, that system is better than nothing. Not how quickly you should do something. The second way is just an hourly rate, usually with some kind of estimate or cap for the client. Unlocking the Secrets of Traditional Design – DVD Review, http://www.amazon.com/Goal-Pro.....038;sr=8-1. You can compare to the competition. My materials markup is higher (in the 30% range). Every bid starts with materials, and I have two methods for estimating how much wood I will need for a given project. And I will even send the client an occasional “in-process” photo so they can alert me to any issues as the project progresses. If you give them back, you lose money on the job. Just kiddin’. My site is simply a showcase of the kind of work that I do and helps to describe my stuff. The closer your product is standardized the more you risk undercutting your price, but much of our product is custom or semi-custom. This is roughly in the neighborhood of where my limited amount of projects have fallen and it seems to work well. But if they ever did, at least I had the 50% initial payment AND the piece of furniture. Wood burning stoves, once a home mainstay, are considerably less popular in an age where forced hot air systems, not to mention pellet and gas stoves, are available for home heating. 5. We just calculate an hourly expense to enable us to do the math. Take these two ideas together, and what this essentially means is that you should NOT stick to your standard pricing formulae if work is slow. I think I can make this for between $400 and $500. so I know it can vary a bit. You may be tempted into buying firewood in bulk to get a better deal and to have enough to last forever, but be realistic about how much space you have for storage.Besides making sure you have room to store the wood, remember that it’s best to store it with plenty of space between the logs to allow drying and prevent rotting. Copyright © 2006-2020 The Wood Whisperer Inc. Now look at those tasks and estimate how much time you expect each activity to take (being honest with yourself). If I have my $5,000 covered for the month, then a $1,000 project is gravy (or cushion for slow months) if I can do it in the allocated month. Still, with fossil fuel costs on the rise, wood stoves are an attractive option as a supplemental, or even main, heat source. “The price is the price.” If someone doesn’t want to pay it, don’t just immediately offer them a discount. Not a great long-term business model, but what the heck, I’m retired… carpe diem and all that…. This model probably doesn’t map well to woodworking. Yeah yeah yeah, but why don’t you ever shave? In my experience on software development ALWAYS there’s an error on calculation, ALWAYS You are on-sale (at least You are Michael Hurwitz or Microsoft). Inserts transform an inefficient fireplace into a much more efficient heat source, although they are less efficient than freestanding wood stoves. All content on The Wood Whisperer is copyrighted, and may not be reprinted in full form without my written consent. The larger markup also gives me a bigger buffer before I have to raise prices (my lumber costs recently went up 5%). Your rate icnreases the more demand there is for your work. But for the most part, there is no reason to purchase an additional 20% stock, because you are buying exactly what you need. Never happens that way. I know this all sounds a little weird, but it’s the real deal. It’s self throttling; as you get busier and busier, clients will either need to pay higher rates or wait longer for their work. I think the far bigger disservice here is giving woodworkers a false expectation for how the market works. Don’t give it away. For larger and time consuming projects I sometimes do 30%-30%-40% (materials-production- installation).That will cover initial purchases and some work. Comments (8) I mean: You can use any method suitable for You about material cost and deviations, and the hours-of-project (my personal and shared weakness, but mainly a GTD problem to solve dividing into meaningful units); but the hour ratio indicates the overall skills and vision of the worker! The mistake many new people make to an industry that is new to them that they start as a hobby is to underprice. A warning though, many calculators are defective or otherwise incapable of this simple calculation. I always recommend to price based on the retail shop your client is most likely to compare your work to, then mark it up from there to set the expectation that hand-made is a premium quality, not a discount one! 1. :), At this point in my “career” as a woodworker, I’m just looking to pay for material costs, period. The insurance I sold was not any different from anyone else’s. That was really great article, Marc. Usually wood that has been kiln dried or seasoned to have a lower moisture content will be much less polluting, as much as 50 per cent less pollution than emitted from burning fresh logs. Because of that, I decided to look into consignment sales. This results in having to produce more pieces to achieve the same profitability. Like many, I desired to sell more, if only to allow me to buy more and better equipment, or to buy more and better materials needed to produce things. Each job you accept will consume some of the 40 hours and that must factor into your estimate for that job. The actual wood stove cost depends on the size and type of unit, your location, the complexity of the installation, and other factors. In general, most owners do not make any financial saving unless they have access to free firewood. Feeling “tolerated” is about the best way I can describe the feeling. I cover my costs and, essentially, get to practice “for free”. As you get faster by using new tools or techniques it is good to go and update your times, so you do know how much time have you available and play with your prices so you can close that deal without losing money. I enjoy woodworking and toy with the notion of pursuing that, but the fear of not making enough money (because I’m slow or is it cautious) prevents me. My other big tip is the very ancient wisdom. No matter what method you use to price a job it all comes down to two questions. It’s not really set up for materials cost, but at least it will provide another point of view. Working in Slovakia I don’t have the ‘luxury’ to ask crazy amounts of money for my work. In some cases there will be items that will be delivered faster and some others slower so they compensate and once more, the whole idea is get a good ball park that allows you to estimate how much time are you investing in this new piece of furniture. This is just an example, as you can see it does not take finishing, picking your boards, and other stuff you can think of, but gives you the idea of how can you create your spreadsheet that allows you to do quick estimates. Some yards will NOT let you dig through a pile to pick the perfect boards. 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